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ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
Last update: Dec 4, 2017

Dear SAP Retail Community,

The new SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing (OPP) is a true “omni channel” solution.

Based on SAP CAR’s Retail Applications Bundle it ensures the calculation of correct and consistent effective sales prices and cart values across ALL sales channels, along with the ability to introduce new pricing rule and promotion types with low implementation effort. The new promotions, promotion rules etc. become immediately effective across all sales channels.

But let us start from the beginning.

Typical Situation in Retail Sales Applications

A typical retailer has plenty of applications in place to calculate sales prices, e.g. POS systems, web shops, mobile apps, CRM, SD orders in the SAP back end(s), etc.

Each solution typically has its own price basis (let’s call it “repository”) and its own price calculation logic (let’s call it “pricing service”):


Fig.1: Typical situation in retail IT sales applications

This multitude of pricing tools often leads to price inconsistencies in the various sales channels. Even worse, promotional offer types and rules are not fully and consistently supported across all sales channels.

This leads to massive development and test efforts, to get things “quasi-consistent”:

  • When introducing new promotional offer types and rules, retailers have to change the coding in each of their sales applications. This can take weeks and months.

  • Even when retailers have implemented these changes, they can still not be 100% sure that the various pricing engines are applying promotion rules in a consistent way.


A whole family of mobile apps emerged because of this unfortunate situation, pointing consumers to such unintended “bargains”.When customers become aware of “better” prices, or find their fortunate bargain order rejected, a poor customer experience is the result. This has a profound effect on customers' satisfaction and loyalty.

What is SAP’s solution for Omnichannel Retailers?

SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing (OPP), first introduced with SAP CAR 2.0 FP2, was designed to ensure correct and consistent effective sales prices across all sales channels, along with the ability to introduce new promotional offer types and rules quickly and with low implementation effort.


Fig.2: SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing for SAP Retail

The value for omnichannel retailers is obvious:

  • Consistent price and promotion information available at all touch points

  • Faster time to market of new creative promotional offer types and rules
    designed by marketers

  • Increase revenue by higher customer satisfaction and loyalty

  • Save costs with low implementation and test efforts when introducing new promotional offer types and rules


Omnichannel Price and Promotion Repository in SAP CAR

A new Omnichannel Price and Promotion Repository in SAP CAR stores all relevant information needed to calculate the effective sales prices and cart value in all sales and communication channels.

This comprises regular sales prices as well as offers.

  • Typically, regular sales prices like sales list prices and sales net prices are calculated by the SAP ERP based SD pricing plus condition technique. These prices act as a “start” value for the new Omnichannel Promotion Pricing calculation.

  • Many offer types are supported, from simple discounts via Mix’n Match offers to offers which are combined with an incentive.


So simply all price and promotional offer types and rule information that is needed to calculate the effective sales prices and cart value are centrally held in the Omnichannel Price and Promotion repository in SAP CAR and stored in the Demand Data Foundation (DDF).

Transformation of Offers into OPP Promotions

Promotional offer types and rules, simply called “offers”, are typically created in

After an offer has been created, it is transformed into a format that complies with the Promotion format of the Association for Retail Technology Standards (ARTS). The ARTS Promotion is a widely accepted standard for defining promotional rules.

An offer with this format is called “OPP Promotion”. An OPP Promotion is the runtime model for offers within the Omnichannel Promotion Pricing. The OPP Promotion was introduced to allow easier mapping of promotional rules for external consumers.

There is no application that allows the direct maintenance of “OPP Promotions”.

Omnichannel Promotion Pricing Service

In addition to the central repository, a new Omnichannel Promotion Pricing Service is introduced, which calculates the effective sales prices and cart value by using the price data stored in the Omnichannel Price and Promotion Repository.

The Omnichannel Promotion Pricing Service is a JAVA based SAP HANA XS Advanced application (XSA). Therefore the configuration of database service and back-end connection information is done during deploy time. Find more information here.

Excerpt: Offer Recommendation

Offers can not only serve for mere effective sales price calculations. Retailers can use offers to propose them as “incentives”, to encourage consumers to do something in order to collect the benefit.

Here some examples:

  • “If you buy product A and B today, you get 2$ off on product B”

  • “If your purchase total is above 100$, you don’t pay any shipping costs”

  • “If you buy one item of category A and 2 arbitrary items of category B, you’ll get 500 loyalty points”

  • “If you buy a product of category A and show coupon code ABC, you’ll get 2% off on your purchase”

  • “If you’re member of target group “young urbans” and buy a pair of trousers, then you’ll get 15% off on trousers”

  • “If you buy this cell phone together with mobile contract, you will get a 10$ coupon for your next purchase”


The Offer Recommendation in SAP Marketing Cloud picks for every consumer, in every sales channel and in every moment the best of all thousands of available offers, based on the real-time context and matched with historical information.

However, Offer Recommendation does not include the creation and maintenance of an offer. In a SAP Retail Omnichannel Commerce scenario, offers are typically created in SAP Promotion Management for Retail (PMR) or in the Fiori app “Manage Promotional Offers”. After the creation these offers are replicated from SAP CAR into SAP Marketing Cloud, where they are used for Offer Recommendation.

The Recommendation application of SAP Marketing Cloud is integrated with SAP Commerce Cloud / on prem web content management system (WCMS), allowing the recommended offers and products to be proposed in a web shop, mobile app, kiosk, etc.

More information about Offer Recommendation is available in this blog.
After this divagation with Offer Recommendation let’s come back to the Omnichannel Promotion Pricing and learn, how it can be deployed to the various sales channels and applications.

OPP Deployment Options

A SAP Retail Omnichannel Commerce system landscape comprises various applications to address the individual sales channels. Some high volume sales channels typically run “standalone” and are only asynchronously connected to SAP back ends, e.g. POS systems and commerce platforms. This independency allows them to meet mandatory performance and reliability requirements.

To meet the requirements of the various sales applications various deployment options are available:

  • Local deployment in the corresponsing sales channels

    • SAP Commerce on-prem, SAP Hybris Commerce (high volume, standalone webshop)

    • SAP Omnichannel POS by GK Software

    • Black Box deployment for non-Java environments





  • Central deployment withiin SAP CAR


  • Public Cloud service deployment (aka OPPS)

    • find more information in this blog

    • can run independent from SAP CAR !




For store retailers a central Price and Promotion Repository in SAP CAR is highly recommended for an Omnichannel Promotion Pricing scenario and the de-facto basis for OPP implementations. Non-retail companies can use the local and cloud deployments without having a SAP CAR. However, the OPP data replication formats have to be thouroughly applied.

 

So typically retailers implementing OPP across their sales channels have a SAP CAR in place, which holds the single-source-of-truth repository for base sales prices and promotions/offers in its DDF repository, no matter where this data have been created.

From this "central" = CAR DDF repository an extract can be created (as OPP idocs), which is then replicated to the respective "local" sales application.

To ensure consistency local extracts are periodically updated from the central repository (via the Data Replication Framework (DRF) with new OPP iDoc types ROP_PRICE and ROP_PROMO).

This is depicted as the “Outbound” layer in SAP CAR (see also chapter “Focused Business Solution” below):


Fig.3: SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing with central and local deployment options.

The Promotion Pricing Service can be deployed centrally in SAP CAR, and/or locally in the sales applications. In contrast to the price repository, it is not necessary to have a central Promotion Pricing Service, but to totally rely on local pricing service(s).

Here some examples of typical deployment options. Each can be implemented independently per sales channel:

  • The web shop calls a local pricing service using a local price extract

  • A POS system calls a local pricing service using a local price extract

  • A mobile app calls the central pricing service using the central price repository


A local extract of the repository combined with the local deployment of the pricing service ensures correct and consistent effective sales prices even in asynchronously connected “standalone” sales applications, along with the ability to introduce new offer types with low implementation effort.

This allows high volume sales applications like POS servers in the stores and commerce platforms like SAP Hybris Commerce to avoid high data traffic (load, latency) in the network communication, and performance issues (speed) for the many concurrent users for a (remote) price calculation.

A hybrid scenario is also possible, where e.g. a web shop uses a central pricing service, while a POS solution uses a local deployment.

Make Pricing Fast!

The SD price condition technique in SAP ERP covers even the most complex B2B industry pricing requirements. In contrast, B2C consumer businesses typically need just regular sales prices, combined with a handful of promotional rules and offer types to calculate the effective sales price and cart value.

Omnichannel Promotion Pricing is consequently designed for B2C Pricing in consumer industries, which means high volume businesses with low pricing complexity.

Therefore the Omnichannel Promotion Pricing service starts the calculation with pre-calculated base sales prices, and applies the relevant offers. That’s it – fast and simple.

OPP in SD Sales Order

The central OPP Pricing service in SAP CAR can also be called from the SAP SD Sales order, from SAP S/4HANA 1709SAP ERP EhP8 SP7 resp. SAP ERP EhP7 SP14. This allows the application of retail promotion types like mix's match (bonus buy), time dependent promotions etc. for the first time in the SD order. The OPP integration with the SD Sales Order used the formula extension concept in SD. Learn more with the links on the corresponding SAP back end release.

What happens with all the other pricing engines? 

The Retail Pricing (“Handelskalkulation”) in the SAP back end and the price condition technique remain relevant, as they typically calculate regular sales prices out of thje purchasing price. This regular "base" sale price (condition e.g. PR00) is replicated to SAP CAR and is used as the base price to start the promotion price calculation by OPP. Therefofe, the SAP back end SD pricing does not affect the actual promotion pricing calculation of the Omnichannel Promotion Pricing.

In SAP (Hybris) Commerce based sales channels, the built-in Commerce pricing engine will not be used and therefore "bypassed" in an Omnichannel Promotion Pricing based scenario. The integration of Omnichannel Promotion Pricing with SAP Hybris Commerce from release SAP Hybris Commerce 6.1. For the integration of OPP with SAP (Hybris) Commerce on-prem editions the so-called SAP (Hybris) Commerce, integration package for SAP for Retail is required. This provides extensions to SAP (Hybris) Commerce in order to support SAP Retail features.

Regarding POS solutions, GK Software supports the new Omnichannel Promotion Pricing service in their latest releases of the SAP Omnichannel POS by GK (likely version 12), and provides standard import capabilities of the OPP idocs sent from SAP CAR. Other POS vendors need to be implemented on project basis via the so-called OPP Black box deployment.

Accelerated Project Implementation

SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing is part of the RDS Package for SAP CAR. Newer RDS packages might be available. 


Summary
SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing ensures correct and consistent effective sales prices and cart values across all sales channels along with the ability to introduce new pricing rule types with low implementation effort, which then become effective across all sales channels almost immediately:

  • One central offer maintenance

  • One central price and promotion repository

  • Identical price calculation logic in all sales channels

  • Different deployment options (central, local, hybrid)

  • Extensibility concept - easily extensible by SAP customers and partners

  • Faster time to market of new creative promotional rules designed by marketers

  • Save costs due to low implementation and test effort when introducing new offer types and bonus buy rules

  • Increase customer satisfaction and customer loyalty
    by having consistent price and promotion information at all touch points


Minimum System Requirements

The SAP Omnichannel Promotion Pricing is located in SAP CAR Application Bundle and integrates with SAP ERP Retail and SAP Hybris Commerce. The standard integration with SAP Hybris Commerce is provided by the SAP (Hybris) Commerce, integration package for SAP for Retail.

Depending on the leading SAP CAR release the SAP backend as well as the SAP Hybris Commerce release have to be compliant, please check the SAP Product Availability Matrix.

Here the minimum release requirements of the required SAP components.

  • On Premise

    • SAP CAR 2.0 Retail Applications Bundle 1.0 Feature Package 3 (CAR RETAIL APPL BUNDLE)

    • Focused Business Solution (FBS) “SAP CAR, omnichannel price and promotion service" (material# 7018887)

    • In case you integrate OPP with SAP (Hybris) Commerce

      • on prem: SAP Hybris Commerce (6.1) on prem, integration package for SAP for Retail 2.1 or higher

      • Cloud: SAP Commerce Cloud 1905 with extension package 1905.08





  • Cloud-based

    • SAP OPP Cloud service (operated by SAP on SAP Cloud Platform)

    • pre-integrated with SAP Commerce Cloud 1905, extension package 1905.08.




More Information




  • Offer Maintenance applications



OSS Components

  • CA-DDF-RT-PPR – ABAP based Omnichannel Pricing Repository and outbound capabilities

  • CA-DDF-RT-PPS – JAVA based Omnichannel Pricing and Promotion Service

  • LO-MD-OPP - SAP ERP and S/4 order integration


Enjoy,
Ingo

 

Dr. Ingo Woesner
Product Manager, SAP CX Sunset and Move (ex Retail Omnichannel)
SAP SE
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55 Comments
Former Member
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Dear Ingo, thanks for the blog.

As far my understanding is that SAP ERP is more intended to calculate prices for B2B where promotions are not as many as in B2C scenarios.

What could be the options to ensure that if I create a sales order in SAP ERP versus an order in GK / Hybris I get the same end customer price ?

Thanks

Quentin

 
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
Hi Quentin,

with the upcoming ERP enhancement packages (and S/4 1709) the SD Sales Order can Access the central Promotion pricing Service in CAR. This ensures the same Promotion Price as in POS, Hybris Commerce and any sales channel using OIPP pricing.

 

Please note OPP is built for B2C pricing, which is typically starting from the sales list/net Price, and then applying promotions/Bonus buy/customer gruop Discount and that's it.

B2B pricing is typically way more complex. OPP is not designed for pricing complexity but for high volume and speed.

For fast B2B pricing there is a RFC available called SD_PRICING in ERP/S/4. This API is increadibly fast and performs a B2B pricing on line item Level for multiple line items at once. However, this is not the Retail omnichannel pricing, but SD pricing.

Best regards,

Ingo

 

 

 
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Ingo,

 

Thank you for your very helpfull post. Will there be a OPP repository for B2B prices and promotions ? I
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Robert,

OPP is specifically designed for B2C prices in a consumer scenario.

Best regards

Ingo
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Robert,

in case you are looking for a chance to learn more about OPP you might want to join the free online training I am offering right now.

Check here:

openSAP course „SAP Retail Omnichannel Commerce“, starting May 29, 2018.
This free online training is publicly available. Enroll now!

You have to "enroll" the course in order to access the learning assets. In week 2 there are 5 learning units all about OPP:

  • Consistent Pricing and Promotions Across Sales Channels

  • Managing Promotional Offers

  • OPP Deployment Options

  • Using Offers for Offer Recommendation

  • Demo – Promotion Pricing Across Sales Channels


Enjoy,

Ingo

 

 

 
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Hi there, I understand from this explaination that it is possible to use Promotion Pricing Service as standalone mode.  We have our own POS implementation that will like to integrate with it, however I am not able to find the java libraries in order to deploy it. The provided link for local deployment only addresses how to transfer the prices from the central to the local system but does not provide instructions on how to actually deploy as standalone. Am I missing something here? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks
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Hi Ingo

i have 2 questions for you today:

  1. Am I correct in my understating of the following:

    • The Demand Data Foundation (DDF) stores DDF Offers and Regular Sales Prices.

    • The Price and Promotion Repository (PPR) stores the transformed DDF offers, now OPP Promotions and also replicates and stores the Regular Sales Prices from the DDF.



  2. If you implement a local deployment of Omnichannel Promotion Pricing (OPP), will it be possible to use the local pricing engine (for example a 3rd party POS system and a 3rd party E commerce system) to calculate the Effective Sales Price instead of the Promotion Pricing Service (PPS) and ensure consistent pricing across all sales channels?


Thank you,

Mark
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Mark,

 

ad 1: This is correct. Offers are stored in DDF, e.g. when created by SAP PMR, Fiori app "Manage promotional offers", or by importing ERP promotions. The DDF offer "format" is modeled for best flexibility when defining promotions (design time), while the OPP Promotions format is optimized for price calculation performance (run time). That's why there is a transformation of DDF offers into OPP promotions.

ad 2: - prices: prices don't have to be "transformed", that's why they are stored in DDF and just "read" by the OPP outbound service when exporting OPP price idocs to a local deployment instance.

ad 2 - 3rd party pricing engines: You can certainly "feed" an 3rd party pricing engine with OPP prices and promotions and make it calculate the effective sales prices. But then you cannot ensure that the eligible OPP promotions are prioritized, selected and interpreted in the same way as it will be when using the very same (OPP) pricing engine across all channels. The 3rd party pricing engines often are not compatible with promotional rule or type that is created by PMR for example. One pricing engine of channel A understands a promotional rule, the engine of channel  B might not, or worse: mis-interprets a promotional rule (without prompting an error). That is THE key argument for one OPP pricing engine across all channels!

 

Best regards,

Ingo
pmuyal
Explorer
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Hi Ingo-- you say OPP can handle ERP promos.. but can OPP handle Bonus Buys created in S/4 or ECC?
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Patrick,

 

OPP accesses offers that are stored in the CAR DDF repository (so-called DDF offers), and transform them into "OPP promotions".

So OPP doesn't care how and where DDF offers are created.

ECC resp. S/4 can export Bonus Buy promotions (via DRFOUT interface), and CAR can import these Bonus Buy promotions. in CAR they become DDF offers, which can be transformed into OP promotions like any other DDF offer in CAR, wherever these may come from.

I think CAR can even change such bonus buy promotions, but then they cannot be brought back into ECC for offer compatibility reasons. Not 100% sure. Please check the docu if this is relevant.

Here a process flow about how promotions and prices are imported into CAR.

 

Best regards,

Ingo

P.S. This was covered in my openSAP course, in week 2 (OPP) unit 2 (offers and promotions). See here: https://open.sap.com/courses/hyb2

 



 

 
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Hi Ingo

 

Any suggestions on how can I use coupon with OPP in Hybris Commerce.

I have created a coupon in PMR and sent it to Hybris commerce and trying to use it.

But seems like it is not available in OOTB sappspricing extension.

Could you please provide some implementation details on this.

 

Thanks In advance

Tanima
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Tanima,

please excuse the long delay. I actually asked a colleague to answer but just found he hasn't.

You can create a promotion in PMR related to a coupon xyz.

However the coupon itself

  • has to be created (e.g. one coupon code for all, coupon code only valid once per eligible person, ...) >> this needs to be done in a separate / 3rd party solution.

  • In Commerce or any other channel, the coupon has to be validated, for eligibility, if it was used before, etc. The result of that check is then applied to OPP, so OPP can grant the promotion that comes with it.


Please note OPP does not validate coupons - this needs to be done before calling OPP by a coupon solution. Typically a POS server is connected to a coupon solution. The same is needed for Commerce Cloud.

Best regards,

Ingo
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Dear Ingo,

 

Thank you very much for your writeup. It is great at giving an introduction to SAP OPP.

Now that a couple of years have passed, some of the links are unfortunately dead. Would it be possible to get them updated. I am thinking of the 'SAP Promotion Management for Retail' in particular, but also others result in 404.

Best regards

/ Lasse

PS. This comment may be deleted to free up clutter.
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Thank you, Lasse,

I have now updated all the links down to the section "more information", which I will do tomorrow.

Take care,

Ingo

 
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Hi Ingo,

 

Very informative article, thank you.

Please help to clarify some of my questions

Q1: Which system is recommended to send the Regular prices and offers to the downstream systems (Online, Brick & Motor POS) for displaying the Price and Promotion information.

If S/4 is the source of Regular price and offer creation, is it recommended to send the directly from S/4 to Online/POS? or should be still use the SAP CAR Outbound?

 

Q2: If the POS is decentralized, should we need to do the local deployment for PPS in every single store POS?

 

Q3: What are the key benefits for the client to use SAP Fiori “Manage Promotion offers” Instead using the S/4 to create the offers (Bonus Buy) and replicate through DRF into CAR DDF.

 

Regards
Ram
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Ram,

thank you for your questions.

Before the year 2013, the SAP ERP/S/4  Retail system (aka SAP Retail, IS Retail) was used to export prices and promotions to the external POS systems via the so-caled POS outbound interface via idocs.

Meanwhile, since 2013 this function was outsourced to a separate system, SAP Customer Activity Repository (aka CAR). In CAR, all prices and promotional rules are collected in a central repository (called DDF, demand data foundation). The (base sale) prices typically originate from the SAP ERP Retail system and are transferred to CAR. Promotions are typically created and maintained in CAR, owhich offers the most complete set of applications and promotion types. However, SAP ERP Retail (r S/4 Retail) also offers capabilities to create promotions, but only a limited set of promotion types are supported.

I recommend to watch week 2 of my (free) openSAP course to learn more about how to manage promotions and how OPP works. https://open.sap.com/courses/hyb2/items/3rioaYbhrzLNfvf1Fqlrvk

You have to "enroll" the course first in order to watch it.

 

Coming back to your question: you can either send prices along with ptomotional offers via CAR outbound or OPP outbound to the POS systems. This is the recommended way. However, there are still retailers out there who send prices from the Retail backend directly to POS (because the interface is up and running for 1-2 decades ...), while sending promotions to POS via CAR.

 

Ad Q2) a local OPP would be required for each POS server (not client/station).

ad Q3) the options to create promotions/offers in SAP CAR (either thru PMR or the Fiori app) are a lot more comprehensive compared to the simple options in the ERP promotion management. bonus buy is integrated, temporary promotions, promotions for product GROUPS, vendor funds, promotions for target groups, ... the benefits are quite large.

 

Please watch week 2 of the course and come back to me here. Then we can discuss further.

 

Best regards,

Ingo

 
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Hi Ingo,

 

Thanks for your reply. I have gone through the Open SAP tutorials and has clarified most of my questions. Will connect back if i need to check anything again.

 

Regards
Ram

omer_savran2
Explorer
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Dear Ingo,

Thanks for the blog. it was really helpful that I implemented too many OPP projects by reading and watching your videos.

I have just one question for you.

Some retailers have two sales prices for some period for some articles. (for some reasons generally having scratched prices)

Is there any way to manage two regular prices?

I need to send two prices from S/4Hana to CAR, CAR to Commerce, CAR to OPP.

 

ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Dear Omer,

Thank you for the flowers. Several OPP projects sounds good!

I have forwarded your question to a colleague. She will reply soon.

 

All the best and many more projects:-)

Ingo

 
montes_ramon
Explorer
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Hi Ingo,

Thank you for supporting this community!

I'm currently in a project with OPP & PMR and I need to implement promotions triggered by the use of a specific tender type or special conditions, for example: Get a 10% discount if you pay by credit card or Get a 20% on your first purchase (the POS system can know if it is the customer's first purchase), is there a way to create this kind of promotions in PMR and then export it to OPP? Could you give me an idea on what aspects I need to keep in mind while setting up the promotion in PMR and some considerations regarding to the structure of the request to consume the PPS in these particular scenarios?

I hope you can help me.

Thank you in advance.

Ramon M.-
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Ramon,

Thank you for your question.I had to reach out to the OPP product team and here is their answer:

Both incentive types are not supported yet, but at least the first one (payment type) is planned / roadmap (discalimer applies)

Here a link to the incentive types OPP currently supports

https://help.sap.com/viewer/e95c8443f589486bbfec99331049704a/4.0.3/en-US/4765fe2571534c6eae0a99d51d9...

Best regards,

Ingo
omer_savran2
Explorer
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Hi Ingo,

is it possible to manage payment types like target group on PMR and

send them from POS to PCE request in LoyaltyProgramID” field .

 

ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Omer,

I strongly assume (but don't know 100% certain) that PMR does not cover payment types. But I will check with a colleague.

What is "PCE"?

Thanks

Ingo
omer_savran2
Explorer
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Hi Ingo,

it is just like a workaround solution, PMR and OPP does not know that it is a payment type, it is just a static customer group.

PCE : promotion calculation engine. when we send it in the request, it is possible to execute promotions only have target group "CASH".

            <LoyaltyProgram>

                <LoyaltyProgramID>CASH</LoyaltyProgramID>

                <LoyaltyProgramID>X</LoyaltyProgramID>

            </LoyaltyProgram>

ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hi Omer,

 

I'm afraid I am no developer. Could you please sent me an email to ingo.woesner@sap.com. I will then forward your email to the product owner of PMR. That is the most efficient way for you to find an answer.

 

Best regards,

Ingo
former_member699972
Participant
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hello,


Can I use SAP Customer Activity Repository with S / 4 HANA Standard ERP?

Best regards,
Kenji Eimura
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hello Kenji-san,

as far as I remember, Standard ERP/S/4 integration with CAR is supported from 3.0 or so. I have asked the product owner of CAR to reply to your question.

There are a few customers, wholesalers I suggest, who are live with Standard ERP/S/4 and CAR.

You may want to check the implementation info of CAR here:

https://help.sap.com/viewer/product/CARAB/4.0.4/en-US?task=implement_task

 

Best regards,

Ingo

 

 

 

 
former_member699972
Participant
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Ingo-san,

Hello,

Thank you for checking!

We are relieved that it will be supported by SAP Customer Activity Repository Ver.3.0.

We also welcome the contact of CAR product owners.

Best regards,

Kenji Eimura

 

 
ingo_woesner
Employee
Employee
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Hello Kenji-san,

I am not 100% sure if it is 3.0, but the product owner surely can answer. He is based in the US, so you hopefully have your reply tomorrow.

I am checking my inbox for former discussion with experts on the SAP ERP/S/4 Standard integration with CAR.

I learned that the ease of integration of a standard ERP/S/4 with CAR heavily depends on the actual scenarios in CAR.

Here an excerpt of those emails:

it heavily depends on the usage scenarios. Where we are using DDF as the foundation, it should be relatively straight forward, especially as we can use “customers” on this side of the world.

For POS DTA related processes it is a bit more challenging as this would still rely on stores being set up as plants and this will not be the case in a standard S/4. This has a direct impact on OAA as it directly uses stock and consumption from “PLANTS”.

You can work around that but it is some work to be done. And it has only been done for very narrow CAR scenarios.

If you are looking at OAA without inventory visibility (for stores) it should be relatively straight forward. Please note: OAA needs ATP elements that are only available from S/4 1709 onwards, that’s why 1610 is not supported.

Maybe you can leverage a bit of your desired scenarios you plan to integrate/implement.

 

Best regards,

Ingo
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Hello,

Ingo-san,

Are there any plans to integrate CAR with SAP ERP/S/4 Standard?

Best regards,

Kenji Eimura

 
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

I wonder if there is an answer to these questions:

1- We are using CAR 4.0 and POS GK. We are facing a problem that when we send Offers in Fiori Application "Manage Promotional Offers" and send it to GK. The promotion reaches successfully in GK but not activated, the POS does not feel about the promotion that is made on the product example "20 % discount". However, if the offer is based on the basket promotion, like if the total receipt 200, will have 50 amount discount, and send this promotion to GK, it will work fine.  Is there something missing to do in GK or CAR to let the POS calculate the promotion at items not in total receipt.

2- If there is a guide to configure the Sales order in S4 HANA to calculate the effective price after creating the promotion in CAR. I know that Promotions in CAR can not be sent to S4, however there is a service that calculates the effective price from CAR then return back to S4, So I wonder if there is a guide for this, as not stated clearly anywhere.

3- I want to know the use of this Part in installation of CAR "Configure the Central Deployment of the
Promotion Pricing Service" . Is it only for calculation the effective price in s4 after calling the CAR?

Regards,

Abdelrahman

 
ingo_woesner
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Dear Abdelrahman,

I try to help you the best I could, but I am not familiar with the details of implementation settings nor with GK POS, so

ad 1) I unfortunately don't know. Best you create a ticket.

ad 2) Here the link to the S/4 help docu, in this case 1709, but the newer ones should be identical:

https://help.sap.com/viewer/e8497383bec444069418aba9a1f578de/6.17.14/en-US/f25ef9ca049941bab83b5cc95...

Here a PDF with a step by step guide: https://sap-my.sharepoint.com/:b:/p/ingo_woesner/EbV5SRzMx_pFpV1o3fvQsAQBabiXxRYBB5DNsOtKm2aU5A?e=zq...

ad 3) the Central Deployment of the ... service is the OPP runtime "centrally" within CAR. A local deployment on the other means local to the sales application (typically a POS or an on-premise Hybris Commerce).

The central OPP deployment is used for either S/4 sales order pricing, or for test/development or backup reasons when the local deployment is not available or responding.

Meanwhile the is a "cloud" deployment = an OPP cloud service, which is operated by SAP on our Cloud Platform and offered as a service to our customers (additional licence apply).

 

I hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

Ingo

 
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

 

Thank your for your help. I appreciate it.

 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

 

I am wondering if the OPP promotions for MIX and MATCH (example buy 1 get one with discount) is integrated with SD S4 HANA or not?

I have tried simple OPP promotions (In CAR) like 10 % discount, and discount amount in items, the integration for SD S4/HANA (Sales order) and CAR works fine. But for promotions MIX and MATCH do not work. The PPS call from S4/HANA in sales order not working for these promotions.

Appreciate your help.

 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

I have a question regarding the location hierarchy node in the OPP offers. Can I make promotion in CAR (OPP promotion) in certain customer, and work for both at POS (GK POS) and in the S4 HANA through the central deployment?

Regards,
Abdelrahman
WolfgangSattler
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Hi Abdelrahman,

Unfortunately the GK POS solution doesn't support a call to a remote OPP pricing engine.
But for sure if you export the promotion data from CAR to GK POS the calculation results should be the same in GK POS and S4 HANA.

Regards Wolfgang
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Dear Mr. Wolfgang,

 

I know that after OPP offers creation, the offers can be sent to GK POS through local deployment. And for S4/HANA the calculation of Promotions will be centrally in CAR (Central Deployment).

My Question is, Can I make a Promotion like 20 % discount for Material X, this offer will be active only for Certain Customer Y. Can this offer be sent to GK, and work if Customer Y buy this Material X? The same Question for S4/HANA, Can I make a sales order for Customer Y, with Material X in the order, to calculate the Promotion in CAR and return back with the discounts.

Appreciate your help. wolfgang.sattler

 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
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Dear Abdelrahman,

Yes, OPP can support this. We call it customer-group specific promotions: E.g. if the customer belongs to customer group “123” and buys product A,  he gets 10% discount.

When calling OPP, the sales channel application needs to provide in the request the customer-group information (e.g. 123) and then we are able to find the respective promotion and apply it.

Hope this helps?

Regards

Ulrike
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Dear Mr. Ulrike,

 

I know that there is something called "Target Group" which can represent certain Customers in the offer. This "Target Group" is missing in the offer and can not find it, I assume that this case caused after an Upgrade of CAR 4.0 FPS00 to FPS03 but can not emphasize it.

I wonder if you can help me in this issue as I want to use "Target Group" in the Offer. I have attached the layout of the OPP offer.



 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
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Dear Abdelrahman,

to my knowledge the target group functionality is "only" available in the Manage Promotional Offer UI (Fiori UI), if you have purchased the PMR license. Without the PMR license, you will not be able to use target groups in the Fiori UI.

Regards

Ulrike
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Dear Mr. Ulrike,

Thank you for your support. I wonder why "Target Group" there before (FPS00) the Upgrade, then it disappeared after the upgrade FPS03. Does during the upgrade check that the license is purchased or not?

Regards,

Abdelrahman
former_member249084
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Dear Abdelrahman,

I have checked with the colleagues who are responsible for the Fiori UI (please note: this is taken part of by another team, not the OPP team.). Here what they have told me:

Target Groups are available in the Fiori UI when the PMR switch in IMG is on. So it should show up then. But legally to use it, you need a PMR License.

Regards

Ulrike
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Dear Mr. Ulrike,

 

Thank you for your help. I appreciate it.

 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

 

I have a question related to the OPP-SD integration. The materials with unit of measure PAC (Pack) or EA (Each), the Price is getting retrieved from CAR to the S4 correctly when I make sales order. However, materials with unit of measure SY(Syringe) are not getting retrieved from CAR and comes with 0 price which lead to an error " PPS could not calculate the prices" while these materials have sales price in CAR. The unit of measure SY(Syringe) is newly created in S4 and CAR.

My question is, is there any configuration that can I make in OPPS in CAR, to make the mapping of the unit of measure of Syringe SY, or there any sap note that can be implemented in S4 or CAR to handle this error.

Appreciate your help.

Regards,

Abdelrahman

ingo_woesner
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Hi Abdelrahman,

Please create a customer ticket for this case with component LO-MD-OPP - SAP ERP and S/4 order integration.

Best regards,

Ingo
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Dear Mr. Ingo,

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

Abdelrahman
llopez01
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Hi Ingo, where can I see updated integration slides? We are implementing PMR, S/4, and OPP with an existing GK POS. It seems PMR offers no longer have to be sent to ERP and can go directly to OPP then to GK. I would like to see a visual diagram of how all this will come together.

 

Thank you,

Luis
ingo_woesner
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Hi Luis,

I am no longer in the Retail department, but asked a colleague to reply. She will be back on July 13th.

Best regards,

Ingo
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Hi Ingo,

 

Thanks for the delineated Post.

I have a general question which will help us decide the architecture of the client.

We want to use a central repository of Promotions in CAR using OPP , regardless the pricing engine will still be of 3rd party application. Goal is to only use PPR (i.e Repository) of OPP in CAR and transfer those to 3rd party for the price calculation.

My ERP is S/4 without retail - is it possible to use CAR OPP module with S/4HANA 1909

without IS-Retail ?

Regards,

 

Shikhar
ingo_woesner
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Hi Shikhar,

I am no longer in the Retail group of SAP. Let me ask a colleague to reply.

Best regards,

Ingo